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	<title>Comments on: The Legend of Theo Davis Bol Kong Gary Bell, Jr.</title>
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	<description>A RETIRED GONZAGA BASKETBALL BLOG DEDICATED TO THE PROPOSITION THAT A MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE</description>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://larevblog.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/the-legend-of-theo-davis-bol-kong-gary-bell-jr/#comment-1900</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Mar 2011 12:38:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Kevin, it&#039;s time people stop hyping recruits to such high levels no matter where they&#039;re from, isn&#039;t it?

(And I remember one conference game--against whom, I can&#039;t remember--where Daye took the ball at the top of the arc, crossed over his defender, drove the lane, then gave a wrap-around pass to an open teammate.  On my old blog I called him El Fenomeno for just those kinds of plays.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kevin, it&#8217;s time people stop hyping recruits to such high levels no matter where they&#8217;re from, isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>(And I remember one conference game&#8211;against whom, I can&#8217;t remember&#8211;where Daye took the ball at the top of the arc, crossed over his defender, drove the lane, then gave a wrap-around pass to an open teammate.  On my old blog I called him El Fenomeno for just those kinds of plays.)</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@hoft and @scott

Daye in my opinion was under-utilized at Gonzaga, a victim of the team not having much of an identity on offense. The biggest misconception about Daye is that he is a power forward. He&#039;s not. He&#039;s a small forward. He played the position is whole life and the reason people thought he was a power forward was because of his height. The same thing is going on in Detroit. Kuester wanted to play him at power forward, but he doesn&#039;t have the body or instincts to play the position. Once they moved him to the wing though, he has thrived and has played his much more natural game around the perimter than down in the post.

Yes, Daye came with a lot of hype, but there were a lot of games he came out and showed that if he played his natural position, he could have dominated more. I also agree with Scott that Daye would be unreal on this team. People forget about the matchup problems he presented for teams and how good he was at blocking shots (not a good overall defender, but great at blocking shots). It&#039;s a shame people hated on him all the time, all because of stupid reasons really.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@hoft and @scott</p>
<p>Daye in my opinion was under-utilized at Gonzaga, a victim of the team not having much of an identity on offense. The biggest misconception about Daye is that he is a power forward. He&#8217;s not. He&#8217;s a small forward. He played the position is whole life and the reason people thought he was a power forward was because of his height. The same thing is going on in Detroit. Kuester wanted to play him at power forward, but he doesn&#8217;t have the body or instincts to play the position. Once they moved him to the wing though, he has thrived and has played his much more natural game around the perimter than down in the post.</p>
<p>Yes, Daye came with a lot of hype, but there were a lot of games he came out and showed that if he played his natural position, he could have dominated more. I also agree with Scott that Daye would be unreal on this team. People forget about the matchup problems he presented for teams and how good he was at blocking shots (not a good overall defender, but great at blocking shots). It&#8217;s a shame people hated on him all the time, all because of stupid reasons really.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kevin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Mar 2011 18:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I like Bell&#039;s potential more than I did for Davis and Kong for one reason really: He plays in Washington, a pretty good basketball state talent-wise, while Kong and Davis gained their hype in Canada which I&#039;m very skeptical about in terms of talent depth and competition. While it has been nice to have this connection to Canada and getting these recruits, we have always seen these highly rated Canadian players (PMAC, Kong, Davis, Olynyk, Arop) come in with high expectations and they have struggled at the college level. However, if you watch tape or highlights, you start to realize that the other players aren&#039;t very good, aren&#039;t very well-coached and that a player with one big skill (such as shooting) or with athleticism and size will dominate abnormally. However, I wonder how PMAC, Davis, Arop and even incoming Freshman Kevin Pangos would do if he were playing much better talent on a consistent basis.

In my opinion, I think the disappointment concerning Davis and Kong stems more from us Gonzaga fans overvaluing a lot of these Canadian recruits without thinking about the jumps they are going to make at the American collegiate level (which in my opinion, is a really big jump, more than any other country, because other countries, European ones in particular, have very competitive youth leagues without any practice limits).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like Bell&#8217;s potential more than I did for Davis and Kong for one reason really: He plays in Washington, a pretty good basketball state talent-wise, while Kong and Davis gained their hype in Canada which I&#8217;m very skeptical about in terms of talent depth and competition. While it has been nice to have this connection to Canada and getting these recruits, we have always seen these highly rated Canadian players (PMAC, Kong, Davis, Olynyk, Arop) come in with high expectations and they have struggled at the college level. However, if you watch tape or highlights, you start to realize that the other players aren&#8217;t very good, aren&#8217;t very well-coached and that a player with one big skill (such as shooting) or with athleticism and size will dominate abnormally. However, I wonder how PMAC, Davis, Arop and even incoming Freshman Kevin Pangos would do if he were playing much better talent on a consistent basis.</p>
<p>In my opinion, I think the disappointment concerning Davis and Kong stems more from us Gonzaga fans overvaluing a lot of these Canadian recruits without thinking about the jumps they are going to make at the American collegiate level (which in my opinion, is a really big jump, more than any other country, because other countries, European ones in particular, have very competitive youth leagues without any practice limits).</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 12:25:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The point I tried to make is that Joe Zag Fan gets more obsessed than typical obsessed-over-recruits college sports fans.  Maybe it&#039;s because of how close Zag fans think they are to national title contention, I don&#039;t know.  But in any case, it&#039;s clear that Joe has pinned hopes for that contention on GBJ.  

As for Daye, I think most Joes hated him because they thought he was a whiny punk on the court.  Throwing his hands up in disgust, getting a sour look on his face at every foul, etc.  Very much &quot;un-Zag like.&quot; (Even though Mark Few&#039;s the king of sour looks at ever foul.)  And I think the fact that he&#039;s playing significant minutes in the NBA now makes them forget that he didn&#039;t live up to their expectations at GU.  (By the way, if he were a senior on this team, this team would be incredible and about three current players would be having lights-out seasons.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The point I tried to make is that Joe Zag Fan gets more obsessed than typical obsessed-over-recruits college sports fans.  Maybe it&#8217;s because of how close Zag fans think they are to national title contention, I don&#8217;t know.  But in any case, it&#8217;s clear that Joe has pinned hopes for that contention on GBJ.  </p>
<p>As for Daye, I think most Joes hated him because they thought he was a whiny punk on the court.  Throwing his hands up in disgust, getting a sour look on his face at every foul, etc.  Very much &#8220;un-Zag like.&#8221; (Even though Mark Few&#8217;s the king of sour looks at ever foul.)  And I think the fact that he&#8217;s playing significant minutes in the NBA now makes them forget that he didn&#8217;t live up to their expectations at GU.  (By the way, if he were a senior on this team, this team would be incredible and about three current players would be having lights-out seasons.)</p>
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		<title>By: Hoft</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Hoft]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Feb 2011 04:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So this piece forms a sort of dialectical counterpoint to the ones about living in the past and Dan Dickau not walking through that door, etc. With all due reverence, it&#039;s one of the less groundbreaking points you&#039;ve put forward this season, though: I say that mainly because my guess is that it isn&#039;t unique to JZF but rather to many sports fans everywhere. Rosterbating about the future gratifies our desire to escape the present and idealize the future, and all it requires is the ability to draw straight lines of projection (ignoring regression, attrition, etc). It&#039;s just natural to the structures or tendencies of desire and fantasy, right? 

All that is primarily to agree with you, of course, not to quibble with the awesomeness of the column. But I suspect this is something we just have to live with, but also be mean to and quash at any given opportunity. 

On a different note, I&#039;m surprised you didn&#039;t mention Austin Daye. Isn&#039;t he a perfect example of someone who got character-raped by JZF on account of not fulfilling sky-high expectations? Speaking for myself, I remember thinking of him in some sort of algorithm that went &quot;Austin Daye is similar to but less than Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant fries my brain with his awesomeness, so if we just downgrade that a little, Austin Daye ought to be a pretty awesome first-team all-American some time soon.&quot; But, although he was very very good, he never really lit it up. I was sad and lived with it; others hate him for it and go to sleep clutching David Pendergraph dolls. So it goes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So this piece forms a sort of dialectical counterpoint to the ones about living in the past and Dan Dickau not walking through that door, etc. With all due reverence, it&#8217;s one of the less groundbreaking points you&#8217;ve put forward this season, though: I say that mainly because my guess is that it isn&#8217;t unique to JZF but rather to many sports fans everywhere. Rosterbating about the future gratifies our desire to escape the present and idealize the future, and all it requires is the ability to draw straight lines of projection (ignoring regression, attrition, etc). It&#8217;s just natural to the structures or tendencies of desire and fantasy, right? </p>
<p>All that is primarily to agree with you, of course, not to quibble with the awesomeness of the column. But I suspect this is something we just have to live with, but also be mean to and quash at any given opportunity. </p>
<p>On a different note, I&#8217;m surprised you didn&#8217;t mention Austin Daye. Isn&#8217;t he a perfect example of someone who got character-raped by JZF on account of not fulfilling sky-high expectations? Speaking for myself, I remember thinking of him in some sort of algorithm that went &#8220;Austin Daye is similar to but less than Kevin Durant. Kevin Durant fries my brain with his awesomeness, so if we just downgrade that a little, Austin Daye ought to be a pretty awesome first-team all-American some time soon.&#8221; But, although he was very very good, he never really lit it up. I was sad and lived with it; others hate him for it and go to sleep clutching David Pendergraph dolls. So it goes.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://larevblog.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/the-legend-of-theo-davis-bol-kong-gary-bell-jr/#comment-1895</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Scott]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 18:48:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The thing about Steve is nobody hated on him until this season.  They didn&#039;t have a reason to because he was a complimentary player, as I said, and if the offensive cupboard weren&#039;t so bare, nobody would think to hate on him now.  He got pigeonholed, and it screwed over his legacy, I think.  I&#039;d hate for that to happen to GBJ, as well.  (I do applaud your perspective, though.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about Steve is nobody hated on him until this season.  They didn&#8217;t have a reason to because he was a complimentary player, as I said, and if the offensive cupboard weren&#8217;t so bare, nobody would think to hate on him now.  He got pigeonholed, and it screwed over his legacy, I think.  I&#8217;d hate for that to happen to GBJ, as well.  (I do applaud your perspective, though.)</p>
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		<title>By: CampbellEric</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[CampbellEric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 17:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You pretty much summed up all my thoughts on recruits and the pressure they have before they even put on the uniform. I feel bad for them in a way. 

Gray was WA player of the year in high school. Not to say his career at GU was disappointing, but if you looked back at all the hype when he was coming in you&#039;d think it was.

With all that said I&#039;m still excited to see GBJ play (partially because he&#039;s an in state recruit). I&#039;m just not going to cuss him out if he doesn&#039;t live up to the hype.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You pretty much summed up all my thoughts on recruits and the pressure they have before they even put on the uniform. I feel bad for them in a way. </p>
<p>Gray was WA player of the year in high school. Not to say his career at GU was disappointing, but if you looked back at all the hype when he was coming in you&#8217;d think it was.</p>
<p>With all that said I&#8217;m still excited to see GBJ play (partially because he&#8217;s an in state recruit). I&#8217;m just not going to cuss him out if he doesn&#8217;t live up to the hype.</p>
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